Extra Force to Lift a Disc or Ring off a Water Surface

Physics · Mechanical Properties Of Fluids · NEET

When a disc or ring rests on water, the water film clings along its edge and pulls it down. The extra force you must add to lift it is F = surface tension T times the length of the contact line. For a disc of radius r, that length is one circumference 2(pi)r, so F = T x 2(pi)r. Memory hook: "the water grabs the RIM, not the face" - count only the edge line, and count it once for a solid disc, twice for a thin ring.
Solid disc: 1 edge (2 pi r)Thin ring: 2 edges (4 pi r)waterdiscT pulls down at rimF lift = T(2 pi r)ringinner + outer edgeF lift = T(4 pi r)
Surface tension pulls the wetted edge down. A solid disc has one contact line so F = T(2 pi r); a thin ring has an inner and outer edge so F = T(4 pi r).

Your doubts, answered

Why is there an EXTRA force at all - isn't lifting just about the disc's weight?

The disc's own weight is already balanced when you hold it. The EXTRA force is the pull from the water film. Water molecules cling to the edge of the disc (adhesion) and the surface tension of the film pulls the disc back toward the water. To break free you must supply an extra force equal to this pull. That is why the answer only uses T and the edge length, not the mass or g.

For a solid disc, do I use 2(pi)r or 4(pi)r?

Use F = T x 2(pi)r for a solid flat disc. The water contacts the disc only along its outer circumference, which is a single line of length 2(pi)r. There is only ONE circular contact line. The 4(pi)r case is a common trap that belongs to a thin RING, not a disc.

Then when do I use 4(pi)r or (2)(pi)(r_inner + r_outer)?

A thin ring has TWO edges: an inner circle and an outer circle. Water clings along both. For a thin ring where inner and outer radius are nearly equal to r, the total contact length is 2(pi)r + 2(pi)r = 4(pi)r, so F = T x 4(pi)r. If the two radii differ, use F = T x 2(pi)(r_inner + r_outer).

Why doesn't the surface tension value need a '2 surfaces' factor like a soap film?

A soap film has two liquid-air faces, so you double it. Here the water is a single body with one free surface pulling on the solid. So you count the number of CONTACT LINES on the solid (one for a disc, two for a ring), not the number of soap-film faces. Do not mix the two rules.

How is this different from a wire being pulled up (2TL slider problem)?

A straight slider on a soap film has film on both sides, giving F = 2TL. A disc lifted from plain water touches water along one closed loop, giving F = T x 2(pi)r. The idea is the same - force per unit length times length - but you must correctly count how many liquid edges pull on the object.

⚠️ The NEET trap
Treating the disc like a soap film and doubling to F = T x 4(pi)r, or mistakenly adding the disc's weight into the extra force.
A solid disc has ONE water contact line, so F = T x 2(pi)r. Weight is separate - the EXTRA force is only the surface-tension pull along the edge.
🧠 Disc = 1 rim = 2(pi)r. Ring = 2 rims = 4(pi)r. Count edges, not faces.

Real NEET questions

NEET 2024

A thin flat circular disc of radius 4.5 cm is placed gently over the surface of water. If the surface tension of water is 0.07 N/m, then the excess force required to take it away from the surface is:

A · 198 N
B · 1.98 mN
C · 99 N
D · 19.8 mN
Solution: Water clings along the single circular edge of the disc, so contact length = circumference = 2(pi)r. Extra force F = T x 2(pi)r. Put r = 4.5 cm = 0.045 m and T = 0.07 N/m. F = 0.07 x 2 x 3.14 x 0.045 = 0.07 x 0.2827 = 0.0198 N = 19.8 mN. The disc's weight is not needed because we want only the extra surface-tension pull. Answer: 19.8 mN (D).

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Frequently asked

What is the formula for the extra force to lift a disc off water?

F = T x 2(pi)r, where T is surface tension of water and r is the disc radius. It is the surface tension times the length of the circular contact line (the circumference).

What is the formula for a thin ring instead of a disc?

A thin ring touches water along two edges, so F = T x 4(pi)r for a ring of radius r, or F = T x 2(pi)(r_inner + r_outer) if the radii differ noticeably.

Does the weight of the disc matter in this problem?

No. The question asks for the EXTRA force to break the water surface. That extra force is only the surface-tension pull. The weight is handled separately when you actually lift the object.

Why does water pull the disc downward?

Water molecules stick to the disc's edge (adhesion) and the surface film is under tension. This tension pulls the wetted edge back toward the water, so you must apply extra force to separate them.

What units should I use to avoid mistakes?

Convert radius from cm to metres and keep T in N/m. Then F comes out in newtons. In the NEET 2024 disc problem, 0.0198 N is the same as 19.8 mN.